Hi, Winnie and I are now on her zoom profile

https://results.org/our-anti-oppression-values/

Here is a link to the session plan for today's discussion - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdUyowGOgbsXZ0s97SpykMKVPILjAXBs_wwp0ExxM1ajhD91Q/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1&flr=0&usp=mail_form_link

Sorry that was the link to the survey, please find the session link there - https://docs.google.com/document/d/17xpMTqJBOwSJZ_Tm-f8Qw1n4iCijSvn5gWMH6nKiiYs/edit

can you name any other historical examples where white people, or those in a position of privilege have acted as co-conspirators and abolitionists?

One example that comes to mind is John Brown in the US. He was a white abolitionist in the 1800s who led a slave revolt and was executed.

John Brown!

can one be an activist & advocate at the same time?

Haiti is the only country that named street Avenue Jhon Brown

Same, Sister Souljah

Yes, white people need to give up some power, resources, privilege

normal reaction, but willing to give up some prp’s, not sure how to proceed to do this…

We need to change the system at its core

Tear it all down and rebuild

As much progress as we think we make, there is evidence that nothing has changed. In Florida, there is now a law banning education and conversations which brings "discomfort" to white people in terms of discussing history. There is no means to make change without acceptance of the truth in our history.

it makes me think about how white folks strive be perceived as "good" rather than being an ally when it gets hard / willing to relinquish power

I can feel the questions rise up in me that help me deflect the impact of what is being asked for—how do I give up power? What does that look like? How much reparations are enough? To who? The questions put space between me and action. Action is being called for.

This is uncomfortable. First we must recognize how we benefit from WS and then dismantle it- by refusing to support individuals, programs and institutions that embody it. Love what Winnie and Sister Soljah are teaching.

Please see the full quote in the session notes here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/17xpMTqJBOwSJZ_Tm-f8Qw1n4iCijSvn5gWMH6nKiiYs/edit

Yes, the system has set me into privileged opportunities. Knowing what to do personally to change this system upsets my sense of understanding what I can do.

I think about often, are white people including myself actually ready to give up power? Willing to step back and for example give up your job? Your “credit”? I think there are a lot of allies who say they support and/or ready to give up power, resources and privilege but what does that actually look like?

Change the contracts between western oil companies & low- & middle income countries, when drilling offshore, whether or not oil/natural gas is found, will arrange for permanently funded healthcare clinics (for a starter). A detailed outline including oversight. I don't want to hear about corruption - oil companies can find a way to work in coalition with long time non-profits with a strong history of success in working with the country.

In your own understanding, what does advocating for justice with people entail?

+1 MK

https://www.thc.texas.gov/public/upload/preserve/museums/files/White_Supremacy_Culture.pdf

Re. an example of white abolitionists involved with the runaway slaves - those abolitionists who took in and hid the slaves.

Doesn't a group like Partners in Health strive to return power to those it seeks to serve?

yes

What about microcredit organizations like Grameen bank or FINCA?

Is there a term you all use for non-white saviors? Specifically, poc who are not Black or Brown who participate and support white savior organizations? Are they still "white saviors?"

Grameen was started by a Bangladeshi - Yunus

@Mirandy Defining & unpacking white saviorism-Defining white saviorism - A symptom of racism & white supremacy which places those in a position of privilege into the role of savior over those who have been historically oppressed and exploitedWhite Saviorism as an Ideology - It is important to note that while it is predominately white people perpetuating the white savior complex, BIPOC can also uphold the same harmful behavior. White saviorism, like white supremacy, operates on a reward / punishment system for non-white people. Those who align with whiteness are granted the illusion of protection and powe

Thank you Wendy!

What about a group like healthinharmony.org

Do raise your hand with other questions

our put them in the chat

In Haiti, anyone coming from the U.S. or other countries abroad on mission trips/travel/business/etc. regardless of their race, is called "blan" which is translated to white. It is an ideology

"white" is so much more than a color. it's a social contract

+1 Alicia

Would Candace Owens be a good example of someone who is Black, but they benefit from white supremacy by refusing to support all other Black and Brown communities. She gets many opportunities from white conservative organizations because she likes the nonsense that she says.White presenting Latinos also love the proximity they have to the white American population because they recognize the opportunities they have. I experience this in my Mexican/Indigenous family.

Grace - imo, the only ethical monetary "aid" is no-strings-attached reparations. Loans are a form of neocolonialism. idk. thoughts?

I agree, Mirandy.

+1 Mirandy

Definitely

they can change the mentality by thinking about our common humanity

Agreed Rwothomio

They very much hate Indigenous/Black presenting Latinos in Central America, it has split parts of my family apart unfortunately.

+1 Rwothomio

Thank you Rwothomio!

Mary Kate - I don't think it should be flipped to show the joy. white supremacy isn't joyful.

I think rather than looking for other orgs that are WS we should be studying ourselves in RESULTS. I am so thrilled that we are having this forum.

Perhaps maybe from an community asset approach vs community deficit ("this needs to be fixed")

Any conversation indigenous populations

One aspect is finally telling the truth about how white people / nations have and continue to keep countries like Uganda “underdeveloped”

Perhaps the framing of the question is, this is what we are doing, this is what has been done. Let's join the movement and build on what has been done to move forward to where we need to be ?? Celebrating the work that we have accomplished but also bringing attention to the work that still needs to be done?

I like Dorothy's and Errol's suggestions. Thank you Mary Kate for bringing this up.

there is joy to be found in dismantling white supremacy perhaps?

A follow-up question from Mary Kate O'Leary's question : how does the Global Fund to Fight AIDS TB Malaria serve as an example of advocacy with (rather than only for) the people that it serves ? ie. an example of the type of advocacy that we are discussing today ?

+1 Kelsey

Yes that’s very helpful. Thank you! I’ve followed y’all for years on instagram so just really honored to be learning from you.

The parenting example is so powerful.

+1 Rwothomio

That is a powerful question - is there a joy to dismantling white supremacy?

It gives a lot to reflect on in terms of motivation and depth of advocacy, are we striving for restorative justice?

We have one more hand up with a question—perhaps the last question?

I love that question, Eugene. How do we move from a place of advocating above someone to a place of advocating beside someone.

I would love a follow up discussion on the global fund!

Going back to the original observation that Results does not prominently feature the stories of the people/communities it/we are advocating with/for. We have similar problems finding constituents/those who benefit from the programs who have the time/interest to advocate with us. Any suggestions on how to solve this issue - top down and bottom up?

Lastmilehealth.org. I think they are a great example of advocacy with

Thank you Craig, how do we move forward from here?

Perhaps what we learn is that we need to act locally with our diverse communities.

please come back, NWS. would love to continue learning from you!

+1000 Alicia!

Thank you so much for being here! I have followed No White Saviors ever since you began and I frequently use your website and instagram to educate folks.

+1 Alicia.

we also need to focus on USAId

Thank You!!!

Thank you so much for being on and giving us very important reflections in our continued global advocacy work!

+1 Yanick

Thank you for sharing your expertise. And urge others to follow https://www.instagram.com/nowhitesaviors/

Thank you so much!!!

Thank you!

Thank you so much NWS. You have brought up some very significant ideas to work through together.

Big thank you NWS team!

Thank you.

Thank you NWS team!

Thank you for the discomfort.

thank you